From: bobby gutcher
To: staff@dayoopers.com
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:34 PM
Subject: grandmas last show/pics
Hi Guys,
  My wife talked to Lynn at your last Boyne City show for Mushroom Festival. I played with yous guys quite awhile back. I also looked in some of your photos of being on the road, and the one with Hoolie & Lynn doing the "ole soft shoe" at the Northwood Inn on Drummond Island Mi. you will see me. I am the one behind the drums. I played at time with Gary VanAlstine, Scott Maciag, Gordy Postula. Our band name was called MAINSTREET. You guys even plucked and banged away for awhile if I recall correctly on that night? It was fun.
   But at your show in Boyne here, there was an elderly lady in a wheelchair, in front. She was with my wife. Maybe Lynn may recall. She said before she died she wanted to see the Yoopers one last time. Well she saw you one last time. On June 1, 2008, She past. I just
wanted to say thank you from the family for making her laugh just as hard if not harder than the first time she saw you. She loved it. Thank You. She got something she wished for & not many people get that wish. You helped make that possible. Dont ever stop what you do. She went happy and peaceful. You all helped to make it that way for her.         

Thank You So Very Much!!!!
Forever Your Friend & Follower
Bobby Gutcher
Boyne Falls, MI

From: Fred Heater
To: staff@dayoopers.com
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 10:26 AM
Subject: My aunt's decorations
Deer Hoolie,
This picture is my wife's aunt Esther Tanskanen's, Christmas decorations.
She's been busy sellin' trees and shovlin' snow in Ahmeek (that's beaver in indian).
Just to get in the spirits she carefully opened the box and got one out then another one and maybe a couple more, until this here popped into her head.
Hope this is the spirits she was talkin 'bout.
Aunt Esther's not quite right nephew,
Fred
P.S. She's the rock hound from up Calumet way.

From: saleratus774us
Subject: yooper hunks
Date: February 6, 2007 9:19:14 PM EST
To: shop@dayoopers.com
hey, I love yur site and want to send in a pic of myself with a lost yooper. I'm in MA but as you can see, he's in lala land.
Keep up the good work
-Mike

From: JBGoode
To: staff@dayoopers.com
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 1:42 PM
Subject: I luv yer new double-album!
When I picked up yer new double-album up at my local small-chain store, I took it home & listened to it & laffed my ass off to what has got to be da most ambitious (2 discs) yooper comedy record by far. I taught you'd not be able to top yer 1st concept album ("Songs for Fart Lovers"), but dis proves me wrong on dat.
I know dat Kim Lenten is not currently in da touring group, but I tink he SHOULD be, especially after proving his acting chops on da sketch "Bathroom 13 & a Turd".
I'm currently savin' up money so I can visit Yooperland wit a freind of mine (& his wife) someday.

From: Donald Moody
To: Da Yoopers
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:49 PM
Subject: Greetings from a fellow Yoophead
Hey, i just wanted to write you guys a quick email and let you know how much you guys are appreciated for getting out and touring and letting everybody know what Yoopers are.  I'm in the U.S. Navy Seabees and I've been stationed down on the gulf coast of Mississippi for going on six years now. i'm originally from Sault Ste. Marie, MI and i really don't get much of a chance to come and see Da Yoopers play in concert and every chance i get i try to stop into the Yooper Tourist Trap up there in Ishpeming, MI. I really want to bring my wife to some of the concerts this up coming year. She's from down here in MS so she's never experienced a show before. anyways, i just wanted to write to you guys and let you know that your appreciated by a fellow Yoophead clear down here in MS. Good luck and i wish you all the best in this upcoming year. Thanks, Donald Moody III

From: David Stephens
To: staff@dayoopers.com
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 12:24 AM
Subject: This is a true story.
Hi Dere,
I love the U P so much, I got me a camp down on the Garden penninsula official out house and all. I have most of your cds and enjoyed your Pastie Tour show in Corunna,MI. at the fair.
Now the true story. Well it was about 10 years ago or so that some friends and I went up to Lost Creek Sky Ranch east of Mio down below to bring in the new year. Well we didn't have any good snow for our sleds. Well I said I know something we can try. We had the DJ play "Heikki Lunta" a couple of times and we joined in and did it to. Of coarse we had more than a 6 pack.
Well to the amazement of the people all there it started to snow and we had enough to run our sleds the next day. We got up early, the crack of noon. That is one example of the power of the Yoopers. The wife and I have been up to the Tourist Trap a couple of times.
Enclosed is a photo of my out house with my buddy Larry trying it out for size. Oh yea, There is nothing like a Yooper Wedding Reception. Been there done that. I missed out on the 4th of July 2006 riot in Garden. I'm sure you guys heard about that one. They even got T shirts saying I Survived The Riot In Garden. Day don't like the DNR dere.
This is how we show off our trophy deer.
Keep up the good work.
Hope to see ya soon.
Adopted Yooper Dave

From: RUTTERNL
To: staff@dayoopers.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:37 PM
Subject: stoughton-Hi-Just wanted to thank you again for all the fun in Stoughton a few weeks ago & for announcing our anniversary. That was very nice and special--

Here are a couple of pictures we took while we were there if you'd like to see them.

Also, when you go to Menominee this weekend--the absolute place to go in the area is Brother's 3 Pizza -the address is 1302 Marinette Ave (main drag) in Marinette ph # 735-9054. Just down the street on Marinette Ave is Mickey Lou's Bar-B-Q.It's a super place to go for a burger.

Again, thanks for the great time!

Nancy & Dan Rutter
Freeport Il (formally from Menominee)

From: jbrand
Subject: carney-nadeau quiz bowl team
Date: October 22, 2006 11:18:11 AM EDT
To: shop@dayoopers.com
Hi Yoopers, Attached are three photos from Da Tourist Trap. Thanks for taking time and allowing us to photograph you with the kids. We appreciate your brief history on the UP and look forward to visiting again. The Carney-Nadeau Quiz Bowl team consists of Meghan Schultz, Caleb Artrip, Nolan Strong, Molly Laurin, Logan Poupore, and Jason Dionne. Be seeing you again, eh? Jay Brand, coach and teacher at C-N

From: E.
To: youguys
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: your order
I got the order today. Thanks for everything. Here's a photo we took at the tourist trap this August:

From: Raquel R. Musselman
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 10:28 AM
Guess what! You'll never believe it! Two moose showed up at my mother/father in-laws house on Tuesday April 25, 2006
Good thing my father in law had his camera near by. They only live 8 miles from the town of Ishpeming on Deer Lake Road in the township.
The two moose grazed for quite a while. Jack (my father-in-law) took about a dozen pictures, but this one I think was the best.

~Raquel Musselman

From: ParaOrdanc
To: staff@dayoopers.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 6:32 PM
Subject: SPRING BREAK IN MICHIGAN

SPRING BREAK IN MICHIGAN...........GOD'S COUNTRY !!!!!!!

From: "Todd Hansen"
To: yoopers
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007

Todd Hansen with you -- the troll from down below who retired from the Navy in Aug. 2004 after a 20 year career as a journalist...

Just wanted to say thanks again for the CD -- Da Yoopers 21st Century Yoopers In Space that you autographed for me ... we both enjoyed (my g/f Michelle) listening to it while driving the U.P.. My favorite tune is Da Deer Camp Song on this double CD, but lots of laughs throughout!

Again Hoolie, it was an honor meeting you! I've been a big fan of Da Yoopers for a long time. I enjoyed chatting with you and Jim Bellmore in the Rock Shop.

Todd "Scoop" Hansen
A long time fan

From: "Brady, Allan"
To: yoopers
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006

Not only does my wife hale from the same area you are from but she returned from a visit to Flint to tell me about a christmas tune everyone here would start requesting... "Rusty Chevrolet." Low and behold, she was right. My "Christmas By Request" on Sunny 93.9 FM in Raleigh, NC was inundated with requests for this song.
Thanks,

Allan Brady
WRSN Sunny 93.9
Raleigh-Durham, NC

From: "Jack"
To: yoopers
Sent: Satuday, October 21, 2006

Hi youseguys! I am a big fan and a former "Yooper" (I was born in Escanaba, 05-08-36) I now live in Bay City, that makes me a "Troll" !! One thing I always remembered about the U.P. is where the Yoopers get their haircut........."Ontonagon" !!!!! My Grandpa used to tell me that the U.P. has nine months of winter and three months of poor sleddin'! Anyway, I'll leave the jokes for youse guys. I enjoy your music and entertainment a lot, and look forward to seeing you again.

Sincerely, Jack Oslund, Bay City, MI

By the way, I was at your world tour in Bay City, and still have the cap and tee-shirt!

From: "Brent & Christina Pleggenkuhle"
To: yoopers
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2006

Thank you for your wonderful performance at the Stoughton Opera House this past weekend. As always, you were well received by the crowd and our patrons are already sharing a good deal of positive feedback.
It was a pleasure to work with you guys, so friendly, funny and professional. We hope that we can join forces again in the future for another great show.
Good luck on your future performances!

Kind regards, Brent and Christina Pleggenkuhle, Stoughton Opera House.

From: "Spfrederic"
To: yoopers
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006

I wanted to let youse know dat I played a Yoopers tape for my sweetie the first time that we went out on a date. Whether it was because of your great music, or in spite of it, I don't know, but she did go out with me again....and now she's my wife.

Perhaps this is a recipe for success in love that youse could share with other Yooper fans?

From: "M J Repinski"
To: yoopers
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006

Hello Da Yoopers,
We drove from Tomahawk to see your show in Manitowoc. It was fun. Your band was wonderful and they seem to enjoy themselves. It's great that you sell your own items at the show. We thought it was a great idea, kudos to you. It gives fans the feel of participation in your life. Comment about how you get the audience to participate, Great!

God's blessings to all,
One group of nordeners to another,
Frank and Joyce

From: "Nelson, Scott USA SPC USAR"
To: yoopers
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006

Sir or Ma'am,

My name is SPC Scott Nelson; I am currently deployed to the Middle East in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom. I would like to let you know that I grew up in Northern Wisconsin and now live in Kingsford, MI and I have fond memories of listening to your music. Recently I purchased one of your cds and had some people who have never heard of the U.P. listen to your music. They laughed their asses off. I would like to thank you for that, it is the little things like that that keep us going and looking forward to coming home. Hopefully I will be home for the opening day this year, hopefully. I had better get back to work, things won't get done by themselves. Have a good day.

Respectfully, SPC Scott Nelson

From: "Paul Altobello"
To: yoopers
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 1:44 PM
Subject: Darren Kotajarvi in Iraq with yooper flag

Darren works at the Ishpeming Area wastewater plant.
He proudly displays the yooper flag that you gave him with the numer two general of Iraq.
The general told darren he would be happy to hold it!
Paul Altobello, THANKS

From: "ParaOrdanc"
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 9:04 PM
Subject: Beer Tree

Here is a tree that I know that Da Yoopers would love.

Dave... Native Loper

From: "Beverly Van Blaricom"
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 10:17 AM
Subject: Did ya see da turdy pointer?

It was shot by an Amish guy near Athens, WI last Saturday afternoon

Thank you for a wonderful show at the Big Rapids High School. I have been a Yooper fan for a long time. It was truly a treat to see the faces behind the music. I would also like to say thank you to Hoolie for the signatures on my shot glass (I bought 2 so I could use one) also a special thanks to Hoolie for the signatures on my cassette tapes cover (my mom was the lady that fed you guys at the school) I still listen to them any time I need a good laugh.

Thank you,

Chad Sturdavant

Just wanted to write and make a comment about your concert in Big Rapids just this past Saturday, Oct. 1st. It was great and we all enjoyed it very much. I want to comment regarding your reference to the veterans in our country. It warmed my heart.Perhaps in your future concerts you may want to consider asking your audience how many have sons, daughters, loved ones or dear friends who are in our active military at this time? Our son, who just happens to be the Air Force recruiter in Big Rapids, has been in the Air Force for 18 years. His young son, Gregory, age 11 was in your audience as well as his parents, grandma, and mother-in-law and wife as well. Our sons name is Mike Smith, who bought us all tickets to your concert because he likes you so much. But he wasn't there. Ok, you are going to get a big laugh out of this one...he was in Wyoming. He had an opportunity to fly out there for one day (and wouldn't you just know it, it was Oct. 1st) to particapate in an Antelope hunt with some Air Force buddies. As his mom, I am very proud of our son and would have been proud to stand up in your audience to honor him in the outstanding service he is doing for our country. I just wanted to share this with you. Donna Skinner

My Fiance and I saw your show for the 1st time, and it was wonderful. I'm a transplant to the midwest from the west coast. I've been out here for 4 yrs and love it. You guys are fantastic!!! Thank you especially for the veterans tribute. I spent 7 1/2 yrs in the USMC and I'm still serving in the national guard. Anyhow, we will be back to see your show again.

Thanks for such a great performance!!

Steve and Becky

Thanks for your great site. I just found it and emailed the address to a dosen of my friends so they may get a giggle too. Just cracks me up!

I was raised in Northern Minnesota and have lived in Ohio since 1962. I still go deer hunting up north every year with my son. I've heard your records played on radio up there and busted up.

Again thanks for bring much joy to the world through your site. Keep up the good work!

Tom from Ohio

Yous guys donut udderstand ders a history to do dis.

My gramps once tolded me dis story and I vould yike to pass it on to yous. He says ders dem eat coat gerlies see down bouts Yimouth Rock. He teld me day got dem itty bitty hinders on em wit da tight trousers! Vel, granpa teld me dat dey donut vara tiht trousers fer nutin' see, yup. Gran pops say dat vun time, a long long time ago durin da vinter of 01, vack vefore der vas Vee Yeans and Cavin Hines, da gerls needed to go out and hunt da vibbest deeer dat day culd fined to make closs. Vel, vit da settlrs killin off dem deeer, day done run out of fur, da yillage deeclrd dat da vimon vould hav too ver bears butts insted. Vun day, Helga (gramps says day da yillagers feard Helga) she vun da prehistric "passin gassin" Vinn / Norsk compostition vy clearin a vroom in 1 sexcond with da fart of 60 below zero. See vun da coveted "Norkeaster" award, very prestiguios an da whol town velcomed her as dair own. See, she vas vormerly from Norvay, come over on da Norsksip wit da vikings see, Vel, she vasnt gonna ver no bears fuzz. On this pirticlar day, she vent to da yillage meetin too prostrate dis. Da meetin vas at da bingo varler run by da firt finns in the USe A see, butt dey vouldnt let her in cuss see had no closs on, no vay. Dis vade Helga very mad, not wit out any klose an all so, yegend hassit, she stomped arroun back to bust in on da nort side, well, she got around vack vhen she vealized she had ta use da outhouse, vel, she yet out da bigess fart right in front of the delivery entrance, cuss she been drinkin an eaten peanuts. It vas so bad dat Lemi, who vas also tryin to reach da prehstric portajohn, vas comin out da back door facin nort see, vehn all a da sudden der vas dis freeezen ass kold whind dat she yet out. No one had ever seen it yike dis; it vas so bad dat it blew da snow and trees all over da place. Vel, she blew da whole dam bingo varler in da ocin (Atlantic) to. Grams sezz she yet out da biggess fart she ever yould do, an to dis day, day nevr foun her. Pour lemi had to be rescesuated (CBR) by da prehistric volunteer firedept, he thawed out ok to. Efferybodi, search high and low for Helga, vat she vas never to be seen from again i guess she blew off like a dat Star Track space ship. Of corse effery boddy missed Helga an offer time, dey changed da name of "norkeaster" to "Nor-Easter" on da eat coat in honor of "Helga" da Norsk and effer since dat time, day require tight trousers off any kind at dos eat coat bingo varlors so day don get dhos nor-keasters wit out warnin.

Sincerely,

Erik Liimatta

   Let me tell you what my sister sent me this song this morning, I never laughed so hard. I have a 1987 Chevrolet Monte Carlo and it is just like the one in the song. Just in the last 2 months my dash lights started not working again and I was using a lighter to see how fast I was going. it is getting all rusted out and the heater barely works. I have one windshield wiper I have to roll down the window to open the door on the drivers side, and share the window crank with the passenger, the headliner is held up with duck tape, the radio goes in and out and changes stations when it feels like it. But in all it is a very good running car I have no problems. I just wanted to share this with you.

Dorreen Lemmon

Norfolk, VA

Hi, just went to your show in Tama, IA. Man that was great!! It gave us energy to drive the 2 hour drive we had afterwards. I didn't realize so many Yoopers lived in Iowa. I would like to see you at the Iowa State Fair, but it's in August and hotter than hades then. Thanks for coming to Iowa, close enough for us to come to the show! It was nice to talk to Mike from Mohawk.

Bye, Renae Trembath, Promise City, IA

   That, by the way, is the proper way to greet someone in fluent Philadelphian.
I was at a sizable car show yesterday, at which one of the selections played was "Rusty Chevrolet," My wife, daughter and I did a triple take at the phrase "Negaunee cops," thinking "did we just hear what we thought that was?" Yes we live in southern New Jersey, (no, not "Joisey;" that's Tony Soprano country, and that's the other/wrong end of the state), but we know the U.P. Can't believe someone from here would know what the U.P. is and where it is? Try these on for size:
1. I've driven the Seney stretch on M-28 more than enough times to know it's 25 miles of nothing but trees on either side of two lanes, punctuated by the occasional national forest road.
2. Pasties are properly consumed with ketchup, preferably as takeout from a mom-and-pop pastie store-and if you can do that as a picnic at Presque Isle, so much for the better. 
3. We've driven the 35 miles or so each way out to Whitefish Point to the shipwreck museum-and I have the t-shirt to prove it.
4. The main drag in Iron River is Genesee Street.
5. US 2 makes a sort of Z bend as you enter Munising from the east (and there used to be a Red Owl on the eastbound side right in the middle of town).
6. The hike up to the top of Sugar Loaf on a clear day is worth every bit of the climb.
7. I not only know what Negaunee and Ishpeming are, but how to get there from Harvey or downtown Marquette (take your pick).
8. I've knocked back a Grain Belt while watching the lumberjack contests in Iron River-and visited the Iron County fair.
9. Jilbert's may be just about the best locally made ice cream I've ever had.
   How's that? Does this qualify me and my family as honorary Yoopers?
Say ya to da U.P. for me, eh-and I'll send a big "yo" for youse to Vinne, Tony, Joey and Domenic at the pizza/cheesesteak place here in South Jersey.
John Barry

   You guys:
Which is correct: Is youse guys goin' for a beer...Or: Aint youse guys goin' for a beer?
I used to live in Indiana, Canada, then Marycrabbyland but I am moving back to Canada, eh. I love Da Yoopers and discovered youse in Indiana.
"For Diehards Only" my husband, a Canadian, learned how to make the most lethal fart in da world: Skyline Chili farts. Dis chili produces mushroom cloud-like farts, eh.
Skyline Chili was invented by Greek fartmeisters in Cincinnati. Youse put da chili on the spaghetti, den youse open up a whole can of Pinto beans, den youse put on a whole onion and cheese on top. It rumbles down your innards, especially when you put da Tabasco sauce on it. My husband likes to fart in bed and pull a "Dutch Oven" where he pulls da sheets over my head and den I feel the blast plus the fallout. We're not young kids, either. We're in our forties. But Canadians never give up their fart humor any more then they give up their beer. We are moving to Hamilton, Ontario and would love to see you tour Canada but if the border guards think your gastric noises are tear gas to be used against Canadians I will understand, eh. Everybody knows that everybody wants to make war on Canada.
Astor Gravelle

  Hey,
  My name is Jed Wolf, I met all you guys at the Duluth Boat Sports and Travel Show.
I was at a scout event in Fort A.P. Hill Virginia, with over 40,000 other Boy Scouts in 2001.
One day I was looking for a pack I had lost. It turns out that my school master had it, and in order to get it back i had to sing for it. So i sat back and thought a while, then it came to me, "Hey son, catch dis one!" so i got up in front of my entire 40 person troop and sang the fart song. It became an instant hit. I was instantly the troop clown, and was told that i'm to do the songs from now on.
   We toured Washington D.C. afterward. While on the bus one day while everyone was tired, and in need of cheering up, my scout master told me "Wolf get up there and put some cheer into these guys" so i grabbed the microphone that was on the bus, and sang the song that made me a legend. All the guys loved it, however, people that where standing outside of the bus where giving me strang looks and didn't seem to like it very much. I got of the bus, and instantly a woman came up and asked me what on earth i was thinking singing such an inappropriet song in our nations capital. I turned to her and said, "i can't help it mam, i am Yoopanese, and none of us are that right in the head."
Anyway, that's my story.
Have a good one eh
Jed Wolf

  Found you on Pasty Central--been sitting here going thru all of it--just got to "P" and realized -- my face muscles are frozen in a smile--my butt is sore from sitting here so long--and I'm still in my jammies at 10:30 a.m. -- FUNNY, interesting and informative--now that I've come back to reality--I'll have to quit for a while but I'll be back for sure!! Will let my friends know about this.

Tom Christensen
Oak Creek  Wisc.
 

  In case you're keeping track of things such as this, "Santa's Helper" has become the most popular Da Yoopers request of all time on the Brain Sandwich show. 
Thanks.
Mike Madonna
Producer/Co-host
The Brain Sandwich Show

  As a former graduate of Rudyard Highschool (Class of 1970) I want to commend you on the great website! I rarely get to the U.P. these days (living in North Central Alabama is a long ways away) but still have very fond memories and a few contacts in the area. Keep up the good work. You are on my favorite list.
Hamilton Morrison

  Ya my name is Elmer Salo from up nort in minnasoota. I can relat wit your 
music. I lived in a town called Embarrass until I was 14. Deer season use to 
start da 4th. of july every year until my dad had to quit jibboing and go work 
in da mine plant at Silver Bay. ( Then I found out Minnasoota also had a deer 
season, the the city folk could hunt in November.)
  Just wana let you guys know you got a hole lot of fans in Minnasoota, 
should try a concert here sometime.

 Thank you
 Elmer A. Salo
 Princeton Mn.

My Grandmother was a logger...from way up da bay.
Went out hunting for a beer a cold winter day...
(the rest of this gets pretty obscene - tell yah the rest when I know yah).
Gotta go now
John (Jacques) Trudeau

First email:
From: ìGlen, Christopherî
Sent: Fri, 14 Mar, 2003
Hey, if i sent a couple bucks your way could i get your sis to help a guy at war with some booster morale yoopers music? that set you have is awesome and would make me feel close to home! thanks bud

Here's the second email:
From: ìMike Woodî
Sent: Fri, 14 Mar, 2003
Hey Sheryl, what do you think? The kid loved the Yoopers CD's we played for him... could you pick some up for me to send to him? He's on a ship in the Black Sea right now!!
Bro

Subject: I just want to tell you guys!

Dear Da Yoopers:
I used to play drums in rock groups, during the 60ís. I am a music lover. You folks are terrific. I love your music. I appreciate your fine musical talent. (If Spike Jones were around, he would say the same thing- we all know what he was good for right??)

I would love to be on your mailing list. All your music is great, however, one of my favorites is Free Beer.

Talk about talent! You guys reek with it! Great talent, I mean! Best of luck and keep up your fine musical work.

Ken kenmalkin@msn.com

The call from the UP is so strong that I am in the final stages of buying some land near Big Bay. I plan to retire and go back and forth between the UP in the summer and Florida in the winter. I look forward to stopping in the ìTourist Trapî and casing the joint at my ìnext trip home

ìAnything that is too stupid to be spoken is sung.î
Voltaire (1694-1778)

See Ya.
Da Uprooted Yooper
 

Thanks,
Jon Kohlwey from Granby, Colorado (Formally Appleton, Wisconsin!!)

Jon Kohlwey
Granby, Co 
 

HULLO I wish to get more info on how to participate in the bare bum run and the requirements and all info abt related activities and also info abt your bprograms and activities thank you

BBOSA DAVID BOX 8000 KAMPALA UGANDA
 

Also wanted to thank Jim for being a gracious person. Weíve listened to Da Yoopers on Dr. Demento, and have enjoyed the music very much. Mani Luoma told us where to find you, so blame him. Marv and Joan are old family friends from when my uncle used to work in lshpeming with the mines.

Wishing you much success and looking forward to getting up to the UP again. Bert and Suzi Moore (and Weener)